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The first two or three probably do. After that you are paying for points, not learning. RACS specialties price unaccredited registrar terms explicitly — paediatric surgery scores 6 points per six months to a cap of 12 1 — which tells you the system values the years as currency whether or not they make you better.
What the colleges actually reward. RACS paediatric surgery's CV scores an unaccredited registrar term in the specialty at 6 points per six months, capped at 12, and a PHO is scored as an unaccredited registrar 1. That is the clearest official statement anywhere that unaccredited time is the currency of selection. It says nothing about whether year four teaches you more than year two, because the caps exist precisely because it doesn't.
What is published about the conditions. A 2025 AJOPS paper on unaccredited registrars states that dependence on referee reports from supervising surgeons "creates a power imbalance that may leave this group vulnerable to work-related stress and workplace bullying and harassment", records no national limit on weekly hours for the group, no mandatory supervision standards, and only 63% receiving formal orientation in 2024 2. The 2024 Medical Training Survey covers 5,869 prevocational and unaccredited trainees and is the reference dataset for this cohort 3. Unsupervised volume is not training.
Where the sub agrees. The clinical benefit is real and it plateaus. The two most-cited numbers in the corpus are "caps at 2–3 years" and a bell curve with one to three years as the optimum 4. Beyond that, people describe collecting points, not skills.
The counter-argument, from people who got on. A commenter identifying as a surgeon argues the late-entry trainees are visibly more mature clinically and that they would not trade the years back 4. That is a real position and it is stated first-hand.
The rebuttal that carries the thread. The consultants who tell you the years will make you stronger mostly did not do them, and generations of surgeons trained without them 45.
No college publishes exam or performance outcomes by number of unaccredited years — not published.
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If doctors from pre 2000 can make excellent doctors without all the excess unaccredited slavery, why do doctors nowdays suddenly need to do years of slavery just so they can be stronger.
Right now the difference between those who got on quickly VS who got on quite late is very obvious... mentally / physically / clinically more mature than people who got on too quickly.
The clinical experience is very helpful, but the benefit caps at 2-3 years.
The bosses who discuss the benefits of unaccredited years are often the ones who never did them.
It's a bell curve. A 1-3 years is ideal. Beyond that you are plateauing and earlier than that you are more likely to struggle through training.
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asked_count = posts in the r/ausjdocs dump (19,145 posts, 2022-09-13 to 2026-09-12) whose title matches /unaccredited year|service reg|unaccredited.{0,30}(stronger|better|useful|worth)/i. Quotes are the highest-scoring comments in the 'do unaccredited years make you stronger' thread plus the two lower-scored replies from people claiming surgical standing, so the pro-years case is represented by the people who hold it.